Winter fuel payment

Looks like rushi sunak is looking at knocking
Winter fuel payment on the head for pensioners

Its not happening

Winter fuel payments for pensioners should be means tested.
There are a lot of well off pensioners. And on the other hand, there are pensioners who are less well off.
Give it to them who genuinely need it, not to people who have good company pensions.

I agree, it should be means tested, and then with the savings, give MORE to the people who need it.

Oh Pensioner bashing day is it ?? We have paid NI contributions and tax all our working life and now the energy pierces have soared . take it off the low income pensioners, shame on you,,,,They have already cut it from its original total and raided the age of entitlement and now its being dropped to help the none contributing hotel dwelling ,freeloaders from the hot countries,

The Tories will regret that move because, That's a vote loser for sure, Even King Charlie will say, " hey C'mon Rushie
owd lad, play the white man "

It's not happening

would it surprise you . anything to stick the boot into us .

Retain it for Pensioners who are not on benefits as they are the one's who need it more!

most benefits are a working benefit & most pensioners dont get any .

It would probably cost more in pen pushers to do the means testing administration so no savings to be made.

Close all the tax loopholes that the big companies are using and ensure that everyone pays their fair share of income tax.

Whups

For those of retirement age, the benefit is called Pension Credit and like other benefits, many are as well off if not better than as those who have worked hard all their lives and paid into private pensions only to find on retirement, that they are no better off as promised when they joined a private pension scheme and just above the level of claiming any benefits.

Time that a comprehensive review of the whole benefit system was carried out by an independent body to find out those who actually need to live on the state benefit system of today.

Might also explain why so many immigrants risk their lives wanting to get into the land of milk and honey!

Had the £10 Christmas bonus, introduced by Ted Heath in 1972, been adjusted for inflation it would be £150 today.

There are people who genuinely rely on the benefit system but I know people who just abuse the system and are far better off than me.It seems that if you get one benefit it just open the door to many more.

Can't see them doing it before the election

Tom plum
With you on this looks like pensioner bashing he thinks we can't fight back, remember the tv licence , assistance with high energy allgone, looks like some on here agree with him, it won't get better with this guy he gives it all to migrants
Like confetti

mortarmillbill:

"It would probably cost more in pen pushers to do the means testing administration so no savings to be made"

That is what all governments, Conservative & Labour have said about means testing the Winter Fuel Payment, they say it is cheaper to just give it all pensioners.

Retep1949
Like to know how pensioners can abuse the allowance ,it's the torys who are doing all the abusing filling there own pockets at our expense

Paid in for it, paid towards a company pension ( and that's with raising four kids on crap wages ) still paying income tax, so whether or not I'm comfortable shouldn't come into it. As owd codger says anyone on low pension can claim pension credit which leads onto rent and council tax rebate, free glasses and dental treatment etc all of which I pay for. I feel as though I and a lot of folk, probably on here as well, who's been prudent, having to go through a means test to receive the allowance...sorry Chesher cat but I think we are just as much entitled to it.

Your right frecky isn't it better for every body to be comfortable in old age than to to go begging cap in hand ,after all they worked for it

Gentlemen.
I think you have totally misinterpretated my post!

I'll put it another way.
King Charles, Alan Sugar, Rod Stewart etc are entitled to the same amount as all other pensioners if they meet the criteria.
Thats the point I was making about being means tested. Also there are a lot of well off working class pensioners who are possibly more financially secure than a person who is in full time employment.
I stand by what I typed, it should be means tested.

Chesh the king, Rod stupid and alan sugar are all entitled to old aged pension too because they contributed and much more than us, So they also get Winter fuel allowance because, its only fair they do, They might not need it But I do and if it gets means tested, I'll have to do bawt heating and thats not too hard for me but, there are many not so lucky as me who will suffer BIG TIME, So think of others chesh

Surfer Tom said:

"Tom plum
With you on this looks like pensioner bashing he thinks we can't fight back"



LINK

Tomplum.
I'm thinking of others!
Thats why I mentioned the afore names above! Take it off them, and give it to people who really need it whether it be yourself or someone else

A lot of people are struggling at the moment, myself included, but not all people are. Some are getting less richer, some are getting more poorer

Don't begrudge any pensioners who get winter fuel allowance,, why is ok for these Lord's get a a few hundred quid just for attending the lords they will also be claiming

more bullshit about immigrants i see . if you have anything in the bank or are over the pension limit you cant claim pension credit & the limit is currently set under wot pension we are recieving so it cancels out that . no flies on them torys .

You’ll be eligible for pension credit if either:

you and your partner have both reached State Pension age
one of you is getting Housing Benefit for people over State Pension age
A partner is either:

your husband, wife or civil partner - if you live with them
someone you live with as a couple, without being married or in a civil partnership
Your income
When you apply for Pension Credit your income is calculated. If you have a partner, your income is calculated together.

Pension Credit tops up:

your weekly income to £201.05 if you’re single
your joint weekly income to £306.85 if you have a partner
If your income is higher, you might still be eligible for Pension Credit if you have a disability, you care for someone, you have savings or you have housing costs.

What counts as income
Your income includes:

State Pension
other pensions
earnings from employment and self-employment
most social security benefits, for example Carer’s Allowance
What does not count as income
Not all benefits are counted as income. For example, the following are not counted:

Adult Disability Payment
Attendance Allowance
Christmas Bonus
Child Benefit
Disability Living Allowance
Personal Independence Payment
social fund payments like Winter Fuel Allowance
Housing Benefit
Council Tax Reduction
If you’ve deferred your pension
If you’re entitled to a personal or workplace pension and you have not claimed it yet, the amount you’d expect to get still counts as income.

If you’ve deferred your State Pension, the amount of State Pension you would get is counted as income.

You cannot build up extra amounts for deferring your State Pension if you or your partner are getting Pension Credit.

Your savings and investments
If you have £10,000 or less in savings and investments this will not affect your Pension Credit.

If you have more than £10,000, every £500 over £10,000 counts as £1 income a week. For example, if you have £11,000 in savings, this counts as £2 income a week.

Contact the Pension Service helpline if your circumstances change.
If you’re away from Great Britain
You can continue to get Pension Credit if you’re away from Great Britain for 4 weeks or less - for example, on a holiday.

You must:

be eligible for Pension Credit when you go away
remain eligible for it while you’re away
contact the Pension Service helpline to tell them you’re going away
You can get Pension Credit for up to 4 more weeks if:

you’re away from Great Britain because of the death of a close relative
a close relative dies while you’re away and you cannot reasonably return to the UK
You cannot apply for Pension Credit if you’re already outside Great Britain.

You cannot get Pension Credit if you’re moving away from Great Britain permanently.

Leaving Great Britain for medical treatment
You can continue to get Pension Credit for up to 26 weeks if:

you’ve left Great Britain for medical treatment
you’ve left Great Britain for a period of recovery that’s been approved by a medical professional (also known as ‘approved convalescence’)
your partner or child is leaving Great Britain for medical treatment or ‘approved convalescence’ and you’re going with them
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Chesh you're not making sense lass, Why Should Rod Stupid and Allen sugar not get what they are entitled to ? They have paid their dues and much more, They probably don't need it in the same way I've never needed a good lawyer but, Its nice to know, Its available should the situations change, If you want to take something off someone, take thes posh digs off the illegal entrants, Now they are teckintpiss,

You’ll be eligible for pension credit if either:

you and your partner have both reached State Pension age
one of you is getting Housing Benefit for people over State Pension age
A partner is either:

your husband, wife or civil partner - if you live with them
someone you live with as a couple, without being married or in a civil partnership
Your income
When you apply for Pension Credit your income is calculated. If you have a partner, your income is calculated together.

Pension Credit tops up:

your weekly income to £201.05 if you’re single
your joint weekly income to £306.85 if you have a partner
If your income is higher, you might still be eligible for Pension Credit if you have a disability, you care for someone, you have savings or you have housing costs.

What counts as income
Your income includes:

State Pension
other pensions
earnings from employment and self-employment
most social security benefits, for example Carer’s Allowance
What does not count as income
Not all benefits are counted as income. For example, the following are not counted:

Adult Disability Payment
Attendance Allowance
Christmas Bonus
Child Benefit
Disability Living Allowance
Personal Independence Payment
social fund payments like Winter Fuel Allowance
Housing Benefit
Council Tax Reduction
If you’ve deferred your pension
If you’re entitled to a personal or workplace pension and you have not claimed it yet, the amount you’d expect to get still counts as income.

If you’ve deferred your State Pension, the amount of State Pension you would get is counted as income.

You cannot build up extra amounts for deferring your State Pension if you or your partner are getting Pension Credit.

Your savings and investments
If you have £10,000 or less in savings and investments this will not affect your Pension Credit.

If you have more than £10,000, every £500 over £10,000 counts as £1 income a week. For example, if you have £11,000 in savings, this counts as £2 income a week.

Contact the Pension Service helpline if your circumstances change.
If you’re away from Great Britain
You can continue to get Pension Credit if you’re away from Great Britain for 4 weeks or less - for example, on a holiday.

You must:

be eligible for Pension Credit when you go away
remain eligible for it while you’re away
contact the Pension Service helpline to tell them you’re going away
You can get Pension Credit for up to 4 more weeks if:

you’re away from Great Britain because of the death of a close relative
a close relative dies while you’re away and you cannot reasonably return to the UK
You cannot apply for Pension Credit if you’re already outside Great Britain.

You cannot get Pension Credit if you’re moving away from Great Britain permanently.

Leaving Great Britain for medical treatment
You can continue to get Pension Credit for up to 26 weeks if:

you’ve left Great Britain for medical treatment
you’ve left Great Britain for a period of recovery that’s been approved by a medical professional (also known as ‘approved convalescence’)
your partner or child is leaving Great Britain for medical treatment or ‘approved convalescence’ and you’re going with them
Previous : Overview
Next : What you'll get
View a printable version of the whole guide
Related content

Pension Credit calculator
The basic State Pension
Get help with benefits and pensions if you have accessibility needs

Posted by: tomplum (11534) [View tomplum's page]
"Chesh you're not making sense lass, Why Should Rod Stupid and Allen sugar not get what they are entitled to ? They have paid their dues and much more,"

Tom. With all due respect to you, I don't think you are grasping what I'm saying!
Read my post through and then digest it.

I'm actually on your side with this one

Surfer Tom,I was on about all people who abuse the system.

Good post gaffer, whups ,having up to £10,000 in savings and getting £203/wk for a single person (which goes up to £221 next April) gives a lot of people a good chance of Pension credit, plus £16 pension savings credit if they have some savings.

Chesh luv, you're not on my side if you support means testing, If they means test the WFA I'll more than likely not get it because people hate plumbers,,,,

Ive tried my best to explain it , Tom. I give up now
Good luck anyway

Yoo are being a very polite pussy tonight

Well I disagree Tommy Tee as will Allen Sugar and Rod Stupid because we all deserve what we as tax and NI contributors are entitled to and now, she is insinuating that, I'm not understanding her Mid Atlantic Cheshire explanation of, Why I should have to be in the cold in the Winter months,

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But very helpful to a lot of people whups

really 1st mate . well all that hogwash on it means nothing because the rise that pensioners got makes them ineligable because the rate you can claim pension credit now is lower than the rise they got - £ 203-85 single person pension p/w new claim for pension credit £ 201-10 p/w .is that helpful 1st mate ? . and i guarantee that anything that you have in the bank the DWP will adjust your claim accordingly & you,ll end up getting very little meanwhile you,ve just shown them how much you have in the bank . that,s the tory way give with one hand & take back with two hands .

Whups

That post of mine was lifted straight from a Government web page.


Nearly 1.4 million pensioners in Britain receive Pension Credit, but many aren't claiming this extra financial help. The average Pension Credit award is worth over £3,500 per year and it can open doors to other benefits.

If you have problems using a search engine there’s plenty of assistance available.

All very well saying what you are entitled to from benefits and how much money is unclaimed, but a different story when you apply, as no doubt many who have worked all their lives will have found out after applying!

My wife gets the enhanced upper limit of PIP of which part of it goes to pay for a Motability car. We were told to apply for Attendance Allowance which is the same amount has PIP. The down side of these Benefits is you cannot have both and if you get AA instead of PIP then you lose your entitlement to a Motability car and if you need a car then you have to buy one with associated costs

yes gaffer a tory one . get real & you know they are dodgy at the best of times & they make them work for them .

i,d like to bet that there,s not 1.4 million pensioners claiming pension credit now after they put up the pension & made sure that the "new" limit was lower than the rise they gave them .

Having read all the comments on this thread, it seems to have diversified from Winter Fuel Allowance to Pension Credit, PIPs and other benefits, but I'm sure they are all valid and are entitled to be claimed for.

I've never received any benefits, only my State Pension, into which I paid a full national stamp from age 15 until age 60; however I am still paying tax because I still work and I'll be 74 in December.

So, my point is, although my State Pension is good, I still work at my job part-time to supplement my income.

I've had no central heating for 10 years, so have to rely on keeping warm using old jackets and a fleecy dressing gown on these colder nights. I'm currently wearing four layers of clothing, and my old sheepskin jacket over my knees as, right now, it's only 5C. I do put a little electric heater on at times, but only for an hour or so to take off the chill.

The Winter Fuel Allowance for me is very welcome, especially since the energy costs rose so high earlier this year, as it will see me through a month or so, given the extortionate amount I'm already paying.

I've not written this comment for tea and sympathy, but just to say that some folk, especially the elderly need it, and I'm better off than a lot of pensioners.

Mollie

yes mollie m & sunak is trying to get rid of it but some on here keep bumming him up & his dead leg party . that,s why it,s been diverse on here & different claims keep coming up that the torys are trying to get rid of .. by the way some on here are paying tax on their oap pension & their small private pension .

Electric heaters eat electricity, surely you can get some sort of grant to fix your heating.

Mollie M I know I went off topic about WFA but was making the point that sometimes it pays people to claim benefits but some times it as the opposite effect and they could loose out Has Angelwood said surely if you contacted CAB/ Age UK/Council they could help with your heating. I cannot see prisoners/boat people not having heating in the prisons/5* hotels' No body should have to manage without heating for 10 YEARS

Mollie
Please p m me something I would like to suggest.

Mollie m
It look like you would struggle to keep warm without the winter fuel allowance,shame on this
Tory government ,worked all your life thinking when you retire
Things will get better,while like Tom plum says freeloaders from other country's getting any thing they want ,they are pensioner bashing older people to pay the freeloaders

Posted by: orrellite (2418)
Mollie
Please p m me something I would like to suggest.

Replied: 15th Oct 2023 at 08:04

There are no facilities here to pm anyone orrellite.

I'd like to remind everyone that the government is not doing away with the Winter fuel allowance.

Wigan Borough Age UK have a free Information & Advice service, which covers benefits, grants & loans: Link

The first £12570 of pension payments or earnings are tax free.
A 20% tax is levied on pension payments or earnings above £12570 up to £50270.

The following benefits are not taxed.

Tax

Gaffer
Just curious you have all these facts , how much do people which have non Dom status pay I bet mollie m has paid more ! And they have millions

They pay a fixed annual charge of £30000 if they’ve been here for at least 7 of the previous 9 tax years and £60000 if they’ve been here for at least 12 of the last 14 tax years.
They pay UK income tax on money they earn or make here.
The don’t pay UK tax on foreign earnings unless it’s paid into a UK bank account.

Gaffer
Remember when rush became pm it was disclosed that rushi had a green card to work in usa and didn't pay uk tax
Also think this would apply to his wife,

he,ll carry on bumming up his dead leg party by putting dodgy info on here mark my words . those tax he,s put on most on here arnt or ineligble for them . like iv,e said some are paying tax on their oap pension unlike his friends the PM ,s wife who has non dom status & pays virtually nothing on the multi millions she has . and as a side note it,s not the immigrants who are making the laws are they , it,s this dead leg party running this country & it,s them who,s taking the money & services off us .

Whupsy

Have yoo been to church today

LINK

you dont know wot a church is 1stroke . with your attitude towards the less fortunate & immigrants i,m sure you would be stopped at the door & directed to the national front office .

Whupsy

So yoo have not been to church today

All shut down

quite right surfer tom but 1stroke isnt up with the times .

Surfer Tom

Mrs Sunak, like all non doms, didn’t have to pay tax on foreign earnings unless she paid it into a UK bank account. No nom doms can avoid paying tax on UK earnings.
After 15 years as a non dom they become domiciled in the UK.
There’s no point in taking any notice of whups, he just posts what he thinks things are. If he was a domino he would be a double blank.

Gaffer
What you have not Said in your post is non dorms go out of the country just before the 15 years are up and then come back they can claim their nom Dom again for another 15 years , and that's what the wealthy do , your just telling half a tale

Surfer Tom,

If they leave they have to stay outside the UK for 5 years before they can return.
I can’t understand why you can’t see the benefit of non doms who can live wherever they want across the globe.
The Inland Revenue notes below show that last year 78700 non doms paid at least £12.4 billion in tax and national insurance contributions.
In addition they contributed £8 billion to the UK economy.
It’s a pity we don’t have more of them to contribute to the UK economy.

Key findings from this year’s publication are:

In the tax year ending 2022, we estimate a combined total of at least 78,700 non-domiciled and deemed domiciled taxpayers are indicated in Self Assessment (SA) tax returns with combined total Income Tax, Capital Gains Tax (CGT) and National Insurance contributions of at least £12.4 billion, up from 78,100 taxpayers and £11.3 billion, respectively, in the previous tax year
The combined tax and NICs liabilities of £12.4 billion for tax year ending 2022 for all non-domiciled and deemed domiciled taxpayers is the largest annual tax liability from this combined group since our figures began in 2008 (illustrated by Figure 1)
There is some evidence of a recovery in tax year ending 2022 in newly arrived non-domiciled taxpayers following the drop in the previous tax year in which taxpayers were subject to COVID-19 related travel restrictions; the increase in numbers may also be supported by some evidence of improved retention of existing non-domiciled taxpayers compared with the previous tax year (illustrated by Figure 3)
Deemed domiciled taxpayers alone have UK tax liabilities of at least £3,946 million in tax year ending 2022, so are liable for at least 30 percent of the combined total for non-domiciled and deemed domiciled taxpayers, however, we are conscious that not all deemed domiciled taxpayers need indicate their status on their tax returns, so their liabilities are likely to be larger still
For the remittance basis population we publish these figures a year in arrears with the latest figures from tax year ending 2021, when taxpayers were subject to COVID-19 related travel restrictions, showing that the number of remittance basis taxpayers fell by over 7,000 where the majority of this decrease (circa 4,000) came from a reduction in taxpayers who have less than £2,000 of unremitted overseas income
Since the 2017 deemed domiciled reforms the number of taxpayers paying the Remittance Basis Charge (RBC) has been increasing

Posted by: gaffer
"The Inland Revenue notes below show that last year 78700 non doms paid at least £12.4 billion in tax and national insurance contributions.
In addition they contributed £8 billion to the UK economy.
It’s a pity we don’t have more of them to contribute to the UK economy."

Its even more of a pity that they find loopholes to avoid contributing more to the UK economy!

Gaffer
Nom Don benefits the very rich in uk it avoids them paying hmrc , that's why, it saves them money,

It avoids them paying tax on income from outside of the UK.

when r u going to suss this gaffer out . he,s a rank tory & all his post tells you that but wont say it in his so-called "facts"& like many other post he puts on are full of haft a tale . wise up .

Whupsy

No he's not a rank Tory, Gaffer posts information, facts and figures, unlike you, I mean have you ever posted a 'fact' backed up with a link to the relevant information source.

The {{{FACT}}} is that you lot don't like 'facts' do you, you only come out with propaganda, rhetoric and lies.

it,s not only me 1stroke there are others who are pulling him up just look above & yes he is a tory & he always hides it in his so-called facts he put,s on here either bumming them up with a fact or pulling labour down with one or the NHS but not saying it . so open up your eyes & if i remember right did,nt you agree with me on another blog about the privitisation thru the back door of the NHS . that,s a fact too .

who says his facts & so-called figures are always correct . i know iv,e found him out to be wrong on a couple of occasions .

here,s another fact for you 1stroke . 800,000 houseolds are set to miss out on heating benefits like the warm home discount claim if your on pips & DLA are no longer eligable for the £150 fuel allowance because the torys have changed the rules .also 300,000 have missed out after being asked to provide an energy performance certificate which can cost £100 . that,s your torys for you & no doubt gaffer will find an excuse for his beloved tory party .

Whups, it’s the government who change the rules, not the tories.

Whupsy

Ok then, so you put a link on here, showing that what you are saying is true.

who,s in power tonker . last time i looked they were making the rules . 1stroke i cant put links on but pick up any of todays papers .

Whupsy

Just put the page address on here, and I or someone else on here will make it into a link for yoo

Posted by: tonker (27563) View tonker's page

Whups, it’s the government who change the rules, not the tories.


told you, he knows everything

Whups tell me which newspaper in which you read about the energy performance certificate and I’ll post the link.
EPCs only apply when you’re selling or letting a property and there are exceptions.
The threshold for fuel poverty is £13533 and 38% of PIP and DLA claimants receive £14436 so they won’t get the warm home discount. However, the other 62% of claimants will.

TTS

I think Whups must equate well educated with being a Tory.
My paternal grandfather whose photo used to hang on the parliamentary office wall of Neil Turner when he was the MP for Wigan must be turning in his grave. Sue, Neils wife has now hung the photo on a wall in their holiday cottage. It is the oldest photo of Wigan Labour available.

your a tory gaffer & it sticks out a mile . you only think your well educated . and wot did i tell you 1stroke i knew he,d come up with some excuse . it,s in the main tabloids with probably papers like the times or spectator who wont show it because there rank tory & those who read them are too . there,s no exceptions gaffer because torys paint all the public with the same brush .

it was never a question about money before it was about if you got pips or dla then you qualified now they have taken that away & plunged 800,000 households into a winter fuel poverty . and most arnt on the full rate of pips or dla & are under the limit but that doesnt matter now coz they have took it off the list of the energy firms list of qualifying for the discount. great these torys arnt they , dont they have a heart of gold (not).and lets not forget the 300,000 who have to provide a energy performance certificate which can cost £100 which of most cant afford . yes they really are great this lot looking after our interests (not), or maybe it,s just the rich they look after & we,ve seen many cases of that over this tory reign .

Gaffer

From what I can gather I am a Socialist, but I am not sure if the present day Labour Party are Socialists, in the same way that I am a Socialist, with Whupsy, anyone who does not agree with him is a Tory, and as regards his attitude to anyone who is well educated, he is like what that Pol Pot bloke was like in Cambodia, if he had his way he would look at a persons hands, and if they were smooth, meaning that they were not manual workers, Whupsy would chop their heads off

Is that right Whupsy

you a socialist dont make me laugh . did,nt you follow the rank tory right whinger farage & did,nt you try & hoodwink people on here into following him . your anything but a socialist & gaffer certainly isnt . he hides his political bias in his constant so-called facts & figures which always sides with the torys by stealth . i woud,nt chop anything off 1stroke but it,s funny it,s YOU that brought it up & maybe it,s your feeling coming out . and i see your trying to deflect the issue we are talking about because maybe you,ve seen the evidence on the news or a paper .& dont want to admit i,m right .

I think there is a name for these populist, ultra right, nationalist socialists.

could it be national front ena ?.

Smart uniforms though

Ena

What is the difference between Left & Right

TTS
How can you tell a
Conservative is lying.
When his lips are moving,

TTS
Why did boris wear shorts,
To keep his ankles warm

TTS
Very little at the extremes.

One of life's peculiar phenomena: people set off in opposite directions, only to arrive at the same place.

The instant that the Nazis were defeated, Churchill wanted to defeat the Communists in addition, but Uncle Sam weren't having it. He may well have acceded to accepting the former as the greater evil, but clearly saw the latter as unwelcome.

PS I have a relative, (now long deceased) who spent more than twenty years in one of Stalin's Gulags, so I can assure you I have no sympathy for that brand of autocracy either.

I don't think that Whupsy is left or right, because he is off at a tangent.

you know exactly which way i vote 1stroke but your doing your best to avoid the question . you wanted facts & you got em , how does it feel .

Whups, EPC's are for landlords not tenants. I'm on DLA and have not been able to claim the warm front for ten years because my income went above the limit. So in essence, nothing's changed regarding warm front and no tenants have to get an EPC, so where are your figures from

i dont care . if you rent out a house you have obligations to the tennant & why would you kick out anyone who has,nt missed a payment even if they are on benefits ? .it was in all the papers yesterday & now you cant claim anything even if your on a low income . pips & dla are now took off the claims list of the energy suppliers .

Whupsy

"& why would you kick out anyone who has,nt missed a payment"

Because they are a shithouse

EPCs are useless shite and are dished out by useless shite!!

You cannot just kick out a tenant for no reason.

If you want to know the difference between Left and Right, Ask This Mon!

typical stupid reply from 1stroke . wot an idiot .